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Comments on Let's clarify rules on crossposting

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Let's clarify rules on crossposting

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I received a mod warning on https://powerusers.codidact.com/warning and I am now confused about some rules on Codidact. In this meta question, I'll focus on the rules around crossposting, e.g. posting the same question on both Codidact and Stack Exchange.

I read on Post on Stack Exchange and Codidact that crossposting is allowed. I was not aware of any other rules but the mod warning I received today seems to introduce some rules on crossposting:

  • don't submit too many crossposts (no idea if that means 1/week, 1/day or 10/day)
  • must link to the other posts
  • wait some time before crossposting (i.e., don't post the same question on two sides at the same time)

Questions:

  • Is this list of conditions correct and comprehensive?
  • Do these conditions apply to all Codidact sites?
  • Can someone clarify how many crossposts are allowed (e.g. how many crossposts per day) and how much time one must wait before crossposting (e.g., if one posts a question on Stack Exchange, how long does one have to wait before being authorized to post the same question on Codidact)?

Part of the mod message about crossposts.

Hello,

You have posted a large number of questions that are cut-and-paste copies of questions from other sites such as Reddit and Stack Exchange. These questions do not link to the other posts, nor have you edited them to improve them based on what you have learned elsewhere. In some cases, you have cross-posted the same question to multiple sites at the same time. Moderators have asked you to change this behavior but you have not.

There are several issues here:

  • This kind of cross-posting wastes the time of people answering the question. They won't know that you already got an answer on Reddit or that discussion on SE led you to edit the question there. This is disrespectful of our community members' time and attention.

  • Excessive copy-pasting from elsewhere makes Codidact look like a scraper site. We're not.

  • The sheer *volume* of these crossposts takes attention away from other questions.

This must stop.

For transparency, here is the entire mod message, but let's focus solely on crossposts in this meta question. E.g., let's ignore the quality debate. Hello,

This message is from the Codidact community team.

You have posted a large number of questions that are cut-and-paste copies of questions from other sites such as Reddit and Stack Exchange. These questions do not link to the other posts, nor have you edited them to improve them based on what you have learned elsewhere. In some cases, you have cross-posted the same question to multiple sites at the same time. Moderators have asked you to change this behavior but you have not.

There are several issues here:

  • This kind of cross-posting wastes the time of people answering the question. They won't know that you already got an answer on Reddit or that discussion on SE led you to edit the question there. This is disrespectful of our community members' time and attention.

  • Excessive copy-pasting from elsewhere makes Codidact look like a scraper site. We're not.

  • The sheer volume of these crossposts takes attention away from other questions.

This must stop.

In addition, the quality of the questions is often low, with little explanation and screenshots in place of text. We'd like you to slow down and focus on quality.

This doesn't mean you can never ask a question you've asked elsewhere. But do it one site at a time, link to the prior versions, and thoughtfully incorporate what you learned when you write the new question here. Share what you've tried already, just like if you had consulted the documentation or used a published example, and incorporate it. When you post a question on Codidact that you have previously asked somewhere else, the version on Codidact should be the best version of the question, not a blind copy. Slow down and be mindful of the other members of the community.

We are revoking the Participate Everywhere ability on your account across the network. This imposes a rate limit on questions. When you have enough positive activity to demonstrate that you have improved, you will re-earn the ability.

We are also reviewing your activity and expect to delete many of these questions. This will be a human review, not a SQL query, so it will not be instantaneous.

We welcome your participation with original quality content and hope you will also try answering other people's questions. A community has its best shot at success when people work together toward a shared goal -- asking, answering, editing, and making Codidact the best place it can be.

If you have questions about this message, you can send email to [email protected].

This is a formal warning from the moderation team. In the event of continued violations of the site rules, your account may be suspended. If you have any questions regarding the site rules, you can ask them in the Meta category of this site or on meta.codidact.com. If you have any questions about this warning or would like to dispute it, contact us.

☐ I have read this warning and will follow the rules from now on.

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Thank you for the constructive meta post to get this discussion started. I just wanted to say that we... (5 comments)
Thank you for the constructive meta post to get this discussion started. I just wanted to say that we...
ArtOfCode‭ wrote 10 months ago

Thank you for the constructive meta post to get this discussion started. I just wanted to say that we've seen it and will respond in due course.

Franck Dernoncourt‭ wrote 10 months ago · edited 10 months ago

Thanks ArtOfCode‭, with all due respect, the official answer clarified nothing as it simply states:

you should be guided by community norms

But my question precisely asked to clarify community norms pertaining to crossposts (since to my knowledge, no rules were written about them beyond allowing crossposts, and virtually nobody uses Codidact so I can't infer them easily from the almost non-existent site activity).

ArtOfCode‭ wrote 10 months ago

Community norms, almost by definition, are not rules that are written down or spelled out - they're social norms, as Monica alluded to in her answer:

There are no hard-and-fast rules about volume/frequency; as with the other issue, you should be guided by community norms. The system will let you post more than most communities would consider polite [...]

This means paying attention to all forms of feedback you get from the community; that includes comments and votes. While there will always be some people who aren't aware of local rules, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to ignore comments which dispute your own understanding of them - particularly if you're consistently getting the same negative feedback on posts, it would be wise to clarify local rules on the local meta.

Thanks ArtOfCode‭ for being the only one so far who replied to my comments.

Community norms, almost by definition, are not rules that are written down or spelled out - they're social norms, as Monica alluded to in her answer:

Norms can be written. They don't have to be unwritten. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_norm "A social norm or norm is a shared standard of acceptable behavior by a group. Social norms can both be informal understandings that govern the behavior of members of a society, as well as be codified into rules and laws."

Franck Dernoncourt‭ wrote 10 months ago · edited 10 months ago

if you're consistently getting the same negative feedback on posts, it would be wise to clarify local rules on the local meta

I did get the same negative feedback on posts but to my knowledge it only came from two or three people that seemed to be against crossposts and constantly downvoted my questions regardless of their quality (which by the way I assume is a rule violation and if they disagree with existing rules they should write a meta post). Meanwhile Post on Stack Exchange and Codidact clearly allowed crossposts. So I thought crossposts are ok There are always some people who disagree with or are unaware of site rules so I ignored them.

it would be wise to clarify local rules on the local meta.

The mod warning didn't seem local and I use several Codidact sites so I am first trying to clarify rules on Codidact meta. If the answer is that it is site-specific then please tell me so and then I will indeed check on the local metas.