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Make vote secrecy a per-community choice, because some communities might prefer voting transparency over voting privacy. Side-question. Why voting is secret in other Q&A platforms? Origins in ...
#5: Post edited
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Moshi
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2020-10-13T01:54:05Z (about 4 years ago)
Formatted, added link to forum discussion, removed "no example available" (extraneous)
- Make vote secrecy a per-community choice, because some communities might prefer voting transparency over voting privacy.
No example available.- Side-question. Why voting is secret in other Q&A platforms?
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Origins in [https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390](https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390), raw transcript follows (but expect format inconsistencies):> M- > Votes are anonymous. Scrounging vote stats on profile pages to see who's cast votes on a small site to try to figure out who's downvoted something is highly discouraged, and calling people out for it is definitely over the line.
- >
> D- > Why are vote stats displayed on profiles?
- >
> _M uploads a pic of Shrek captioned "good question" _- >
> G- > let's read the git log about it
- > I traced it back to the earliest user profile pages written back 5 years ago
- > I couldn't identify a reason, I'd guess "just because it was easily and readily available"
- the first living version already had that https://github.com/codidact/qpixel/commit/90a8cb1683cc90ad8bd928742c3a32d5ee761d64
- >
> C- > When Art wrote QPixel originally he was probably thinking more along the lines of an SE clone as opposed to a new thing. Originally Codidact was going to start fresh with all new code, building from the start what we wanted to have, but that turned out to have issues. So we decided to start with QPixel and evolve it into what we want. This is one of those underlying assumptions, inherited from SE, that I'm guessing no one thought about. I think it makes sense to show voting history only to the user, not publicly.
- >
> G> what if we went all the way around. Instead of making everything vote-secret, make everything vote-public- > excuse me I ignore if there's already a meta post about it
- >
> D- > > what if we went all the way around. Instead of making everything vote-secret, make everything vote-public
- >
> G NONONONONONONO- >
> G- > why not? I mean
- >
> D- > Already with reactions and “me too”‘s we’ve had people say they’re only interested in voting and the like only because of anonymity involved; they don’t want it to be personal.
- >
> G- > if voting is even moar secret than in SE, there'll always be people thinking staff cheats scores
- >
> D- > As if scores do anything?
- > Also, everything is open source
- > There’s no way for staff to cheat votes
- >
> S- > Well, direct database manipulation - the data isn't open source
- >
> G- > > Already with reactions and “me too”‘s we’ve had people say they’re only interested in voting and the like only because of anonymity involved; they don’t want it to be personal.
- >
- > aha so r you basically saying it's a community choice?
- > and I mean a per community choice
- >
> S- > I think it'd be an interesting thought exercise to explore fully open votes, even if it doesn't get implemented
- >
> D- > > aha so r you basically saying it’s a community choice?
- >
> G I’m not necessarily saying that, but I’d be comfortable with such a policy.- > Look, if y’all really think this is something that should be explored, Meta awaits
- >
> G- > I'm lazy to write the post but give me a link I can upvote
- >
> M- > There are also some ancient forum discussions about this.
- >
- > [...]
- >
> [no forum link was found to be posted]
- Make vote secrecy a per-community choice, because some communities might prefer voting transparency over voting privacy.
- Side-question. Why voting is secret in other Q&A platforms?
- ---
- Origins in the Community Server ([direct link to conversation](https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390)), raw transcript follows (but expect format inconsistencies):
- <details>
- <summary>Transcript</summary>
- > **Mithical**
- > Votes are anonymous. Scrounging vote stats on profile pages to see who's cast votes on a small site to try to figure out who's downvoted something is highly discouraged, and calling people out for it is definitely over the line.
- >
- > **DonielF**
- > Why are vote stats displayed on profiles?
- >
- > **Mithical**
- > 
- >
- > **gs**
- > let's read the git log about it
- > I traced it back to the earliest user profile pages written back 5 years ago
- > I couldn't identify a reason, I'd guess "just because it was easily and readily available"
- the first living version already had that https://github.com/codidact/qpixel/commit/90a8cb1683cc90ad8bd928742c3a32d5ee761d64
- >
- > **cellio**
- > When Art wrote QPixel originally he was probably thinking more along the lines of an SE clone as opposed to a new thing. Originally Codidact was going to start fresh with all new code, building from the start what we wanted to have, but that turned out to have issues. So we decided to start with QPixel and evolve it into what we want. This is one of those underlying assumptions, inherited from SE, that I'm guessing no one thought about. I think it makes sense to show voting history only to the user, not publicly.
- >
- > **gs**
- > what if we went all the way around. Instead of making everything vote-secret, make everything vote-public
- > excuse me I ignore if there's already a meta post about it
- >
- > **DonielF**
- > > what if we went all the way around. Instead of making everything vote-secret, make everything vote-public
- >
- > @gs NONONONONONONO
- >
- > **gs**
- > why not? I mean
- >
- > **DonielF**
- > Already with reactions and “me too”‘s we’ve had people say they’re only interested in voting and the like only because of anonymity involved; they don’t want it to be personal.
- >
- > **gs**
- > if voting is even moar secret than in SE, there'll always be people thinking staff cheats scores
- >
- > **DonielF**
- > As if scores do anything?
- > Also, everything is open source
- > There’s no way for staff to cheat votes
- >
- > **ShowMeBillyJo**
- > Well, direct database manipulation - the data isn't open source
- >
- > **gs**
- > > Already with reactions and “me too”‘s we’ve had people say they’re only interested in voting and the like only because of anonymity involved; they don’t want it to be personal.
- >
- > aha so r you basically saying it's a community choice?
- > and I mean a per community choice
- >
- > **ShowMeBillyJo**
- > I think it'd be an interesting thought exercise to explore fully open votes, even if it doesn't get implemented
- >
- > **DonielF**
- > > aha so r you basically saying it’s a community choice?
- >
- > @gs I’m not necessarily saying that, but I’d be comfortable with such a policy.
- > Look, if y’all really think this is something that should be explored, Meta awaits
- >
- > **gs**
- > I'm lazy to write the post but give me a link I can upvote
- >
- > **Mithical**
- > There are also some ancient forum discussions about this.
- >
- > [...]
- >
- > **Mithical**
- > > There are also some ancient forum discussions about this
- >
- > https://forum.codidact.org/t/proposal-votes-scores-and-answer-order/385/19
- </details>
- Relevant forum discussion: https://forum.codidact.org/t/proposal-votes-scores-and-answer-order/385/19
#4: Post edited
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Moshi
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2020-10-09T22:50:46Z (about 4 years ago)
Simplified the title
general discussion on the granularity of vote privacy secrecy publicity and transparency
- General discussion on making votes public
#3: Post edited
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2020-10-09T16:21:32Z (about 4 years ago)
add chat transcript requested by an user
- Make vote secrecy a per-community choice, because some communities might prefer voting transparency over voting privacy.
- No example available.
- Side-question. Why voting is secret in other Q&A platforms?
- ---
Origins in https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390
- Make vote secrecy a per-community choice, because some communities might prefer voting transparency over voting privacy.
- No example available.
- Side-question. Why voting is secret in other Q&A platforms?
- ---
- Origins in [https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390](https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390), raw transcript follows (but expect format inconsistencies):
- > M
- > Votes are anonymous. Scrounging vote stats on profile pages to see who's cast votes on a small site to try to figure out who's downvoted something is highly discouraged, and calling people out for it is definitely over the line.
- >
- > D
- > Why are vote stats displayed on profiles?
- >
- > _M uploads a pic of Shrek captioned "good question" _
- >
- > G
- > let's read the git log about it
- > I traced it back to the earliest user profile pages written back 5 years ago
- > I couldn't identify a reason, I'd guess "just because it was easily and readily available"
- the first living version already had that https://github.com/codidact/qpixel/commit/90a8cb1683cc90ad8bd928742c3a32d5ee761d64
- >
- > C
- > When Art wrote QPixel originally he was probably thinking more along the lines of an SE clone as opposed to a new thing. Originally Codidact was going to start fresh with all new code, building from the start what we wanted to have, but that turned out to have issues. So we decided to start with QPixel and evolve it into what we want. This is one of those underlying assumptions, inherited from SE, that I'm guessing no one thought about. I think it makes sense to show voting history only to the user, not publicly.
- >
- > G
- > what if we went all the way around. Instead of making everything vote-secret, make everything vote-public
- > excuse me I ignore if there's already a meta post about it
- >
- > D
- > > what if we went all the way around. Instead of making everything vote-secret, make everything vote-public
- >
- > G NONONONONONONO
- >
- > G
- > why not? I mean
- >
- > D
- > Already with reactions and “me too”‘s we’ve had people say they’re only interested in voting and the like only because of anonymity involved; they don’t want it to be personal.
- >
- > G
- > if voting is even moar secret than in SE, there'll always be people thinking staff cheats scores
- >
- > D
- > As if scores do anything?
- > Also, everything is open source
- > There’s no way for staff to cheat votes
- >
- > S
- > Well, direct database manipulation - the data isn't open source
- >
- > G
- > > Already with reactions and “me too”‘s we’ve had people say they’re only interested in voting and the like only because of anonymity involved; they don’t want it to be personal.
- >
- > aha so r you basically saying it's a community choice?
- > and I mean a per community choice
- >
- > S
- > I think it'd be an interesting thought exercise to explore fully open votes, even if it doesn't get implemented
- >
- > D
- > > aha so r you basically saying it’s a community choice?
- >
- > G I’m not necessarily saying that, but I’d be comfortable with such a policy.
- > Look, if y’all really think this is something that should be explored, Meta awaits
- >
- > G
- > I'm lazy to write the post but give me a link I can upvote
- >
- > M
- > There are also some ancient forum discussions about this.
- >
- > [...]
- >
- > [no forum link was found to be posted]
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2020-10-09T15:17:15Z (about 4 years ago)
stack the privacy word to the title for a more neutral title
general discussion on the granularity of vote secrecy publicity and transparency
- general discussion on the granularity of vote privacy secrecy publicity and transparency
#1: Initial revision
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2020-10-09T14:25:27Z (about 4 years ago)
general discussion on the granularity of vote secrecy publicity and transparency
Make vote secrecy a per-community choice, because some communities might prefer voting transparency over voting privacy. No example available. Side-question. Why voting is secret in other Q&A platforms? --- Origins in https://discord.com/channels/709567671087136829/709569625029083147/764038897306042390