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Q&A Observations about the Incubator "emergence-effect" and deadlocking

Why the Incubator does not produce what it is intended for Example Persona Experience: Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies, Worldbuilding - or ANY other non-existing com...

1 answer  ·  posted 3mo ago by Antares‭  ·  last activity 3mo ago by Monica Cellio‭

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#11: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T21:58:41Z (3 months ago)
  • **Why the Incubator does not produce what it is intended for**
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies, Worldbuilding - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • * Leaves.
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those posts are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **The same story on a personal note**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users - who probably don't even intend to do harm)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: Do not downvote if you are not invested into the idea. And also do not close (in the incubator).
  • --> There are no people to counter the downvotes (or any other negative feedback) yet (!!) You are effectively destroying the incubation process.
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care. That is okay, at least it is not hampering the incubation.
  • But they who care _to not having_ a new idea for a post or are in doubt about it and downvote, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
  • **Why the Incubator does not produce what it is intended for**
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies, Worldbuilding - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • * Leaves.
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those posts are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **The same story on a personal note**
  • Feedback (in the _incubator_ !) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta" is not helpful. How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities instead of _incubating_ them.
  • Existing users - who probably don't even intend to do harm - can cast "vetos" far too early.
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belongs here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Do not downvote if you are not invested into the idea. And also do not close (in the incubator).
  • --> There are no people to counter the downvotes (or any other negative feedback) yet (!!) You are effectively destroying the incubation process.
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care. That is okay, at least it is not hampering the incubation.
  • But they who care _to not having_ a new idea for a post or are in doubt about it and downvote, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
#10: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T21:52:37Z (3 months ago)
deescalated the text and removed the example to put more focus on the real deal
  • **Why the Incubator does not produce what it is intended for**
  • **Backstory**
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea!
  • But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **The same story on a personal note**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users - who probably don't even intend to do harm)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: DO NOT DOWNVOTE. And also not close (in the incubator).
  • THERE ARE NO PEOPLE TO COUNTER THE DOWNVOTES (or any other negative feedback) YET!!
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care.
  • But they who care _to not having_ them or are in doubt, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
  • **Why the Incubator does not produce what it is intended for**
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies, Worldbuilding - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • * Leaves.
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those posts are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **The same story on a personal note**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users - who probably don't even intend to do harm)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: Do not downvote if you are not invested into the idea. And also do not close (in the incubator).
  • --> There are no people to counter the downvotes (or any other negative feedback) yet (!!) You are effectively destroying the incubation process.
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care. That is okay, at least it is not hampering the incubation.
  • But they who care _to not having_ a new idea for a post or are in doubt about it and downvote, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
#9: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T09:10:46Z (3 months ago)
  • Observations about the Incubator "emergence-efect" and deadlocking
  • Observations about the Incubator "emergence-effect" and deadlocking
#8: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T09:05:52Z (3 months ago)
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: DO NOT DOWNVOTE. And also not close (in the incubator).
  • THERE ARE NO PEOPLE TO COUNTER THE DOWNVOTES (or any other negative feedback) YET!!
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care.
  • But they who care _to not having_ them, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
  • **Why the Incubator does not produce what it is intended for**
  • **Backstory**
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea!
  • But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **The same story on a personal note**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users - who probably don't even intend to do harm)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: DO NOT DOWNVOTE. And also not close (in the incubator).
  • THERE ARE NO PEOPLE TO COUNTER THE DOWNVOTES (or any other negative feedback) YET!!
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care.
  • But they who care _to not having_ them or are in doubt, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
#7: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T09:00:14Z (3 months ago)
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: DO NOT DOWNVOTE. And also not close (in the incubator).
  • THERE ARE NO PEOPLE TO COUNTER THE DOWNVOTES YET!!
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: DO NOT DOWNVOTE. And also not close (in the incubator).
  • THERE ARE NO PEOPLE TO COUNTER THE DOWNVOTES (or any other negative feedback) YET!!
  • And everybody who _should_ upvote to embrace a new idea, is just not voting at all. They shrug and don't care.
  • But they who care _to not having_ them, they become the most visible.
  • There is another IT term for this: Inversion of priority. A sub-kind of a deadlock.
#6: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T08:56:26Z (3 months ago)
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__". That is just not helpful and very exhausting.
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • Currently it is just the perfect spot **to prevent** having new communities (by existing users)!
  • Either have positive feedback or don't give any feedback if you are not interested in such a community! Don't preconceive about if this could work or belong here! It will never, if you post this to new content as the only feedback!
  • Also: DO NOT DOWNVOTE. And also not close (in the incubator).
  • THERE ARE NO PEOPLE TO COUNTER THE DOWNVOTES YET!!
#5: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T08:46:56Z (3 months ago)
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback (in the incubator!!!) like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
#4: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T08:46:10Z (3 months ago)
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • **On a personal sidenote**
  • I am also sick&tired of feedback like "This does not belong on Codidact" or "This should go to meta". -- No! How are you supposed to build a community in the incubator if you're always shoving all the content away?? This is total non-sense. But it shows how broken the concept for the incubator is.
#3: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-05T07:14:21Z (3 months ago)
new tags added
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#2: Post edited by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-04T22:43:27Z (3 months ago)
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here.
  • * One suggestion was to close the answer, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * The question was downvoted to negative.
  • I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • But then I added a disclaiming header to this post and realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the argumentation that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
  • I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here. I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them...
  • The net effect is:
  • * closed, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies.
  • * question was downvoted to negative.
  • Then the feedback reached me to link the proposal to the question, also a very good idea! But on formulating a disclaiming header to this post I realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***
  • ***Example Persona Experience:***
  • * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!
  • * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  • * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."
  • **Problem**
  • The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!
  • The downvoting is rooted in the assumption that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.
  • **Broken Concept**
  • There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.
  • Yes, that is one!
  • It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.
  • Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".
  • **Conclusion**
  • This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
#1: Initial revision by user avatar Antares‭ · 2024-09-04T22:40:07Z (3 months ago) 
Observations about the Incubator "emergence-efect" and deadlocking
I made a proposal about [Movies&Literature](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292389) recently and posted an [initial post](https://proposals.codidact.com/posts/292390) for it, so it gains some more visibility. I got nice feedback on this by more experienced users here.

  * One suggestion was to close the answer, because it was targeted at assembling a list of movies. 
  * The question was downvoted to negative.

I really do not want to complain here! All suggestions sounded very reasonable and I totally agreed on them... 

But then I added a disclaiming header to this post and realized ***how broken the concept of the Incubator Q&A must look to the outside world!***

***Example Persona Experience:*** 

   * Newbie-new-user comes to the Incubator as a fan of Movies - or ANY other non-existing community right now!

  * A question / the first question that may be inviting to post something was downvoted and closed.
  * Newbie: "Ohh... okay, better not post here. I had my share of such scorchings."

**Problem**

The Incubator is kind of a sandbox where undefined measures of usefulness are applied. This is detrimental to a "real" incubator of ideas!

The downvoting is rooted in the argumentation that those "lists" are not that much favored. BUT the community, which ___might create a rule to embrace such postings___ --- ***does not exist yet***.

**Broken Concept**

There is a term for that in IT: A deadlock. I read about "vicious circle" in some comment recently.

Yes, that is one!

It will repell each and everyone coming here to just post something. But those postings would already constitute the basis for creating a community later.

Right now the Incubator is solely aimed to "attract" people who are willing to "build up a new community against the stream of __not having the community__".

**Conclusion**

This is not going to work. There has to be a change in the concept of Codidact's representation in the mind of new users that is: the outside world. [The Incubator must be streamlined to its intended use](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/292415).
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