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How to grow all of our communities?

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As most have noticed, there's been a discussion raised on all the community metas about how to grow that particular community. It's a good question and I do believe they should be answered on community basis.

However, there are some common universal issues with all Codidact communities that I think should be addressed here at meta.codidact. Please post an answer if you have ideas or want to raise discussion about how to increase activity concerning all our communities.

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In order to make more users join a community, there must be actual content present
Casual users don't join some random community no matter how interested they are in the topic unless given an actual reason to. Reasons in this case include already posted high quality content or the ability to ask questions to domain experts on the topic. Or maybe just an impression that this seems to be a nice place to hang out.

This means that when we start a new community, it is not sufficient to have some 10 or so people saying "yeah this sounds fun". We need several committed enthusiasts who constantly push the site forward: defining scopes, starting meta discussions, posting actual content, remaining active over time.

Regarding luring users over from Stack Exchange specifically, it is not sufficient to simply offer better features or a better organization. Most people only care about the actual site content. It many cases they will expect content of equal or greater quality than that of the site they are currently using, so they will in many cases have very high standards.

Imported posts from SE has been a hot potato discussed on the various community metas. I think it is good that we have the option to import, but the Codidact sites cannot just rely on old imported content - there must be something new content unique to the particular community to make it interesting. You'll want casual users to read a post and think "This was a nice post - hey I better keep an eye on this particular community or I might be missing out some good stuff."


Some concrete suggestions for how to improve the situation:

  • Put all the ghost towns in the freezer.
    The definition of a ghost town being a site where there are not enough enthusiast users that are continuously providing content for that community. And "the freezer" would be some less prominent place where embryos of working communities may exist until they can guarantee sufficient site activity. See Stack Exchange Area 51 for inspiration, it seems to be a model which works well.

    This may sound harsh but the network as whole is suffering from these ghost towns. I don't think they should have been launched in the first place. In many cases there was just one or two prominent users pushing for a certain community and when they stop pushing for the site, for whatever reason, it dies. Roughly half of our communities are such ghost towns.

  • Ensure that there is high quality, unique content upon launch
    Upon launching a new community, we should already have prepared detailed and high quality Q&A to "seed the site" with - not only to serve as examples of what kind of questions to expect, but to be interesting enough in itself to draw people there.

    This means at the very least some 10-20 prepared Q&A posts that should be added to the community within the first week after launch. Give it a flying start. If there isn't enough such content prepared, this in turn suggests that there may not be enough enthusiast users to get the community up and running. If you have some 10-20 enthusiasts users and everyone tries to ask a single high quality question, post a quality answer or post a self-answered Q&A within the first week(s) after launch, then that might do a big difference.

  • Quality moderation early on
    A lot of us want to see a new community grow and thrive. So when some community is launched, Codidact users from other communities who aren't quite sure about what that community is about "stumble in" and post questions. I do this myself too, even if I'm just mildly interested in the topic of the new community.

    But as a result, we do end up with a whole lot of naive, low quality questions, borderline on-topic. These questions drive people with actual interest and expertise in the topic away from that site. If the first impression of the site is a collection of down-voted, low quality posts, people are not likely going to stick around.

    To prevent this, we may have to crack down on such "friendly" users stumbling in to "help". It's important that we get scope and moderators in place as quickly as possibly. Anyone signing up for moderator duty need to be enthusiasts of the topic. Not necessarily experts, but at least with enough knowledge to remove low quality and off-topic posts.

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Basically, we need to beta our sites (3 comments)
Would you be willing to flesh out a feature request? (1 comment)
"Incubator" is a good name for your freezer. (1 comment)
Basically, we need to beta our sites
Moshi‭ wrote about 3 years ago

What I'm getting from this is that we need to "beta" our sites, similar to SE. I completely agree, actually, but also for another reason: expectation management. Users who come to a site with low activity feel like asking and sticking around isn't beneficial. Users who come to a beta site feel like they are contributing to the sites growth, and that their feedback is more valuable.

Lundin‭ wrote about 3 years ago

Moshi‭h Yeah you might have a point there. Maybe that would also increase activity on meta, which is necessary when a site is new. People might easily get the idea that everything is already in place and decided.

Jirka Hanika‭ wrote about 3 years ago

As an extraordinary, one off measure, even a lot of the existing sites could be reverted to a beta status (after double checking with their respective communities).

Independently of the beta/non-beta classification (whose impact has not been spelt out in much detail - it's presumably mostly a cosmetic label that doesn't change how the site operates), the top level Codidact page which shows the existing sites as tiles should be reordered every few years based on the traffic volume throughout the last year, so that the most casual visitors aren't served with the least active (or most specialized) sites first.

These adjustments can be combined. Betas can be further pushed one more click away from the top level Codidact page, through a "list of betas" page. But they shouldn't be hidden too deep or they'll freeze in the incubator.