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Comments on Regular deletion (roomba) of content unlikely to ever be useful

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Regular deletion (roomba) of content unlikely to ever be useful

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I noticed that questions exist on this network and are accessible that are unlikely to ever be very helpful, for example because they were marked as completely off-topic.

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The content license does not mean that there is an obligation to keep the content here and removing such content would increase the signal to noise ratio. I don't see much sense in keeping this content. We could therefore permanently remove it from the system.

But there are also questions that have a very low score (typically they are not very high quality with missing information) and often also no answers but aren't closed. With edits and answers they could potentially be converted to something useful, but that may not be very likely. The decision to keep or remove such content might be a bit more difficult.

However, cleaning up more regularly might also increase the appeal of the front pages of the individual sites (see recent discussion).

Should we regularly remove content we deem to be not useful at all?

If yes, what should be the criteria for that (close status, score, number of answers, life time)? Should it be done automatically (automatic cleaning robots) or rather manually (at least for now)? Where should the criteria for that be decided (for each community individually or network-wide)?

Searched for it on Meta but couldn't find anything for "automatic deletion".

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I agree that automatic deletion1) would be a useful way to reduce clutter and manual moderation. I would propose implementing something along the lines of the draft below.

1) Deleted as in "not displayed on the site" - the technical definition on what gets archived and what gets deleted from the actual DB is a discussion for another post.


All posts get automatically deleted after 1 month since the last edit of any question/answer present, if they fulfil any of the following:

  • Closed posts without answers.
  • Closed posts where both the question and all answers have negative score.
  • Questions with a negative score of -3 or more that have no answers, or where all answers also have a negative score of at least -3.

All the details can obviously get fine-tuned and more rules can be added as we come up with them.

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And until the feature becomes implemented... (11 comments)
Strict -3, or a Wilson score threshold? (4 comments)
What about duplicates? (5 comments)
And until the feature becomes implemented...
Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

...manual removal of the content that matches these criteria by moderators maybe?

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

I think we can trust moderators to manually remove content far beyond these very narrow criteria. For example there's the spam or offensive aspects.

Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

I agree. I didn't mean it as a limiting step but rather as a gentle push to delete even more. There are questions that would fullfill your criteria (for example those linked in the question) that are still shown. Moderators can already remove (or hide) questions, I hope?

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Regardless of any general mechanism or rules, each community is free to decide on its own what content should be deleted. When there's a community consensus, people could flag for mods to delete until there's something better. Anybody can flag, so we don't have to place the whole curation burden on moderators.

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ Each community should rather decide what kind of content is on-topic/off-topic. We can have general rules for post deletion across the whole network without disrupting specific community rules. Generally: if something was closed, it was either a duplicate or it was found off-topic at the community where it was posted.

Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ "We can have general rules for post deletion across the whole network without disrupting specific community rules." Maybe this was already discussed somewhere else or could be its own Q&A but I'm not sure I understand how the interplay of this Meta and the metas of all communities is supposed to work. Is it something like opt-in/opt-out? Would I have to post this Q&A in all communities (I probably wouldn't do it)? If all the sub communities are kind of autonomous, does it still make sense to discuss things here on meta.CD?

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ No, communities decide what gets closed and the bot cleans up closed post after a certain network-wide criteria. Off-topic posts for example aren't useful on any of the sites, so there's no reason why closed off-topic posts would be treated differently.

Moshi‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Trilarion‭ there are certain things the make sense to be on global meta since they affect every site, mainly feature requests for, bugs in, and questions about the Codidact software itself (qpixel), and support for questions about the Codidact organization. Those wouldn't make sense to ask about on individual communities.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Trilarion‭ I meant that any community can decide, via discussion on its meta, that such-and-such types of posts (whatever applies there) should be deleted, and they could implement that independently of anything else we do. I.e. they don't need an automated system, though automation would make it easier if the criteria can be specified suitably. I was just offering another option since we don't yet have automation.

I also agree with Lundin‭'s approach: communities should decide what's off-topic, with the assumption that off-topic posts can/will be deleted.

Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ Okay, so until this feature here is implemented, if I encounter a question that may be not useful (and is closed and not a duplicate), should I (a) flag for moderator attention and request deletion or (b) do nothing because moderators would have deleted it already if they agree or (c) start discussions on the respective meta about it?

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Trilarion‭ if the community already has a meta consensus about that type of question, please flag to ask a moderator to delete it. (If there's any context the mod might need to make that connection, best to mention it. Like, if a science community had a rule against certain types of sources, mentioning the bad source would be good.) If the community doesn't already have a meta consensus, it's better to start a meta discussion to try to arrive at one. Don't do (b); it's possible mods just didn't see it.