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Need to throttle users with consistently bad posts. [duplicate]

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Closed as duplicate by Monica Cellio‭ on Jan 31, 2022 at 22:57

This question has been addressed elsewhere. See: Hobbling of users who consistently post low-quality content

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Now that Codidact has some experience to look back on, we can see the same thing happening here as in other on-line places and in real life.

We are all here for our own personal selfish reasons. However, most of us understand what these sites are trying to achieve, and feel it would be wrong to interfere with that. Even if that argument doesn't work, most realize that if enough people drag the sites down, then there will be nothing here any of us came for. We therefore at least try to do no harm. We consider it rude to be a net negative, and would be embarrassed to be caught doing that.

However, there are always some that don't care about what the collective is trying to achieve nor what others think of them. They don't care about being seen as rude, and won't be embarrassed. They are here only to maximize personal gain, regardless of how much it might degrade the collective goals.

As Elsewhere has abundantly shown us, no amount of explaining, urging, or negative feedback makes any difference to these vampires. Without real negative consequences, they have no reason to change.

The vampires are here

Most sites have at least one resident vampire whos questions are consistently downvoted. They are easy to find. Go to a site and scroll down the questions looking for negatives. You will see the same few users repeatedly. Then go look at the profiles of those users and see their negative rep.

If you do this on several sites, you will notice a pattern of the same problem-users across the sites. If you dig a little deeper, you will also see the same feedback given to these users on different sites. However, they don't care. They just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Why do they do persist? Because there is no reason not to.

The wooden stake

How to fix this? There have to be negative consequences. This means the vampires need to be deprived of something they want. What they apparently want is to post a lot of (bad) questions. The system therefore needs to deprive them of the ability to post questions.

Question rate throttling

We need rate-limits on questions for users with negative rep. The algorithm could be as simple as you have to wait one day between questions for each negative count. For example, if a user is at -7 rep, then they can't post a question within 7 days of posting the previous question. That doesn't get in the way much for the occasional -1 and -2 reps. However, it becomes a serious impediment for those consistently posting bad questions. We have a couple of users with over -50 rep. That's a definite pattern, and those users should be seriously throttled.


Since this question got closed, I added this as an answer to the closed question.

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Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

This looks like a duplicate of https://meta.codidact.com/posts/284472. Could you post your proposed solution here as an answer there? Thanks. (There's another answer with a time-based+score-based system you might be interested in, too.)

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ Yes this is a duplicate but the problem is just escalating and no measures against this seem to be on the roadmap. At any rate I don't think we can wait for a site update - we have to do something drastic right now. Olin is right that no amount of explaining or down voting works, these users (and their sock puppets) need a suspension since they bring down whole sites by repeatedly asking low quality, heavily down-voted questions. See for example the current state of the main page of Outdoors, Power users or Language & Linguistics. We can no longer care for these problematic users' well-being, they need to immediately slow down, fall in line or get banned, simple as that.

Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago · edited almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ Just want to agree with Lundin. The duplicate is also a result of no action on the first such topic. I wonder why local moderation cannot manually solve the problem for the time being. Maybe is there some mod tooling that is missing and that should be added urgently? Maybe we could also just start deleting negatively received content manually additionally to other action.

It should not be seen as some kind of user targeting, more like a sign that a certain behavior is not desired and not tolerated. If the few users can adapt their behavior accordingly, I'm perfectly fine with answering questions of them etc. ... We should just formulate exactly what we want. What about a short term action where a post is opened here on meta, the problem is defined and the manually chosen action is outlined? That would be a good replacement for any yet to be implemented features.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Trilarion‭, Lundin‭ - we're working on the acute problem while knowing we also have a longer-term gap. The team and mods are discussing. (I thought I left a comment here but it must have been somewhere else.)

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago