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Why are comments hidden by default?

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Why are comments deprecated to the point that none are visible without having to move away from the page?

With page loads and mouse clicks, less is MORE.

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Can you clarify "have to move away from the page"? (3 comments)
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I believe that comments encourage users to think of this site like a forum or Reddit or some other form of social media. But posts that would be appropriate in those places aren't appropriate here. I assert that de-emphasizing comments helps focus users on the idea that we should all be here to do work, the work of building a knowledge repository in whatever domain, and not to ‘get help’ or socialize. (One very good reason to do the work is that we learn and grow by asking and answering, but every bad user interaction I've had here or Elsewhere has involved the other user, in my subjective judgment, not having the mindset that they're here to do work.)

IMO, comments would be even better if they were as hidden as Talk pages are on Wikipedia. I don't particularly care if they're deleted or preserved, but I do think that, like Wikipedia, we should be drawing a bright line between the project and any necessary communication that happens around the project. I acknowledge that I am a hypocrite who often gets baited into comment conversations, even though I don't really think that's what comments as they're currently presented should be for—the problem is that we don't have any better tool for coaching users into being better community members, like a private message or chat or talk page system.


Edit: OP raised the use of comments as ‘footnotes’, containing content that should be visible. I disagree with this use; footnotes, like this one, should be made part of the answer, like I am doing now. They should be refined from whatever conversation inspired them and not left tangled up in dialogue for future readers to piece together like historians going over primary sources. This improves the answer, which is what we should be trying to do with all posts.

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Meta is akin to Talk pages on Wikipedia, that is fine. Comments are like footnotes that contain info... (4 comments)
Meta is akin to Talk pages on Wikipedia, that is fine. Comments are like footnotes that contain info...
KalleMP‭ wrote over 2 years ago

Meta is akin to Talk pages on Wikipedia, that is fine. Comments are like footnotes that contain information that I treasure. Answers from 4 people are no substitute for answers from 2 people and comments from 10 more that fine tune the answers. The comments should proudly be part of the knowledge lore, otherwise as you say other sites like Wikipedia where people take the page as the full truth already exist. I want to know what people have to say about an answer, I do not want to visit sites designed for future consumers/sheep. There are three types of people visiting Q&A sites, those who get there via Google because of a word search, those who are regulars who want to learn from answers and comments and those few who regularly comment. Why do we want to down play the first two to make life cozy for the last group. I was a regular on SEEE but here I always feel as if I have to be a performing monkey for the unwashed masses that visit. The visitor should be king.

r~~‭ wrote over 2 years ago

Q&A sites aren't forums with different CSS. If you want to see conversations, visit a forum. If you want to see questions and answers and only that, visit Q&A sites. If you treasure the content that ends up in comments, either that content actually belongs in a question or an answer, or you are in the wrong place.

Comments are emphatically not footnotes. Footnotes are footnotes. Edit a question or answer to annotate it instead of using comments for this purpose.

KalleMP‭ wrote over 2 years ago

No visitor knows they have the moral imperative to edit someone else's question or answer, that lofty power is reserved for OP/admins/moderators.

You want people to leave the small incremental bits of information in footnotes then rename comments to footnotes, stop threading at one level deep, only show the top level of comments and only those that have a positive rating by default (coming one day).

Codidact at the moment required constant policing to make people self censor and grade their submissions and has no way to let the community assist with the grading.

Does a new user even have the score to edit a question? I just went and looked, on a random community I am offered "suggest an edit", that does not inspire me to leave a update, correction, clarification or footnote to repair the question or answer in any way, if comments are frowned upon I simply walk away, a lost visitor, however I will remember the unsatisfying experience when offered Codidact in future search result.

r~~‭ wrote over 2 years ago

The author of the post should edit their post and include anything worth including. Comments aren't for other people to leave information for third parties; they're for other people to communicate with the author of the post so that the author of the post can improve their own post. If you, a visitor who did not author the post in question, want to communicate additional information to other third parties, make your own post.

Codidact [...] has no way to let the community assist with the grading.

Votes. If an answer is missing a critical piece of information, if that information is in a comment but the author won't edited the post to reflect it, downvote it and post a better answer.