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Do we need templates for new posts?

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We have some posting tips on the "ask question" (or "create post" etc) pages, and we plan to add better contextual help in the future. Another way to guide people would be with templates, a "proto-question" (or proto-blog-post or proto-challenge etc) that you get in the editor. A template could be a mix of content (like headings) and instructive HTML comments.

I got this idea when I saw this request for better recipe formatting on Cooking. Most recipes follow a particular format -- introduction, ingredients, equipment, instructions -- but people have to create that structure by hand, each time. Over on SE, on some sites people asked for such templates to help people ask decent questions (particularly on SO, as I understood it). On GitHub, a feature request is similarly populated with some instructive comments.

Should we have (optional) templates for posts? I'm imagining that a template could be defined per category and per post type -- so articles in the Recipes category get that special recipe template, but it wouldn't affect questions or other categories. On Judaism, the Challenges category supports both articles (to announce challenges) and questions (to collect suggestions), so articles in that category could have a template without affecting questions in that category.

This approach would not help with finer distinctions, though. One could imagine feature requests on Meta having a template and bug reports having a different template, but that would mean either having several buttons ("create feature request", "report bug", "request support", "discuss something") or adjusting the editor contents after tags are chosen, which seems hard to do robustly. Alternatively, we could let the author select a template (or not) if templates are defined for that site (or category?), but this might mean newer users would be less likely to use them, defeating one of the purposes.

Should we do something like this? If so, how should we structure it?

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I would like templates for the photography contests on Outdoors and Photography, the questions and the answers follow the same format and it would save some time when creating them.

A template for the top level contests already exits, however it lives on Notepad++ tab on my computer and it would be helpful if more people than me had access to the template.

Sometimes people submit answers to the contests without all the requisite information and others get annoyed, hopefully templates would cut down on that.

The other place I can see them being helpful would be the gear recommendation categories.

However, I don't currently see a use for them on the main sites, unless it would be possible to link a template to a tag like identification which has a more specific format.

Also, if someone doesn't want to use a template, they can always CTRL-A + Backpsace and remove it entirely.

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Olin Lathrop‭ wrote over 3 years ago

I don't know what problem you are trying to solve with these templates. I am familiar with the contests on Outdoors and Photography, things seem to be going fine. Let's keep the nannyware off the site unless there is a really solid demonstrated need.

Zerotime‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

@OlinLathrop I don't know how a structured way to enter data is nannyware? The thing is that (at least) for recipes on Cooking it would be nice to have recipes structured so that you can quickly review them and see what's important and what's not. I can't talk about Photography, however, I do see advantages as it's ensured that entries follow the formatting rules laid out without needing someone supervising it. Can you please elaborate on how templates "nanny" you? Thanks in advance.

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@Zero: Nannyware is when the system nags you to do something, but it's really optional. It's a bunch of other people deciding what your choice should be, or second-guessing that choice. Perhaps cooking recipes need to follow a format so strictly that it's worth nagging others to follow it. I don't know. I'm not on Cooking. This would not be appropriate for any of the places I am, which include Photography and Outdoors. It's not a problem, so drastic solutions are unnecessary.

Moshi‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

"Also, if someone doesn't want to use a template, they can always CTRL-A + Backpsace and remove it entirely." Wouldn't it be better to have it be the opposite case? Start blank, then let the user pick a tempate if they want to. Especially if there's gonna be more than one template on the site, it'd be better to choose from a list than for there to be a default.