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A way to prohibit creating certain tags.

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On EE.CO we have some tags that are utterly useless, but people keep on using them, for example voltage.

For non-experts: voltage is one of the main physical quantity used to describe the behavior of any circuit or electrical system.

Such tags become kitchen sinks used to tag questions of all sorts, so there is no benefit to use them to organize questions.

I was thinking whether we would need a new feature like a "forbidden tag" thing, with which mods could define a set of tags that cannot be created (when a user tried to create them, some kind of message would be displayed to warn them). They could appear on the tag list in a different color, with a notice to not use them.

However, I think this behavior could be emulated with existing features.

If we define a tag like do-not-use-this-tag-ever and then create synonyms with all the tags we want to prohibit, the users wouldn't be able to create them and the platform would already point that out.

Do you think this is a sound idea?

A problem I can see is that probably there is a limit on how many tag synonyms can be created (is it a DB limit or a UI limit?).

I've already created tags with 4 synonyms, but in this case we could be dealing with dozens of synonyms (commonly used words used in the field that are too generic to mean anything as tags). Maybe the system is not designed to handle this.

What do you think about the idea?

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Explanation of why the tag is banned (1 comment)
I think we tested with dozens of synonyms but not hundreds. This seems like a workable approach until... (5 comments)
Is voltage really meaningless? (9 comments)
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Some thoughts:

  1. If e.g. profanity in tags is becoming an issue, that should definitely be dealt with, perhaps with a regex filter. (If a community runs into the Scunthorpe problem this way, a failed tag creation could be discussed on the Community meta and a valid tag whitelisted by a moderator.) In this case, simply creating "deprecated" tags (whether by just writing something pointy in the tag description, or having support for a category similar to mod-only tags) would not be enough.

  2. If a tag is ambiguous, it should be possible to pop up the corresponding explicit options... explicitly. Ideally this doesn't require any special support beyond what's already there: if EE.CD proactively creates, say, voltage-measurement, voltage-calculation etc. or whatever, then they'll show up automatically when someone tries to use a voltage tag

  3. If a regex filter is already needed, it could be used just as well to prohibit exact-match tags. However, this would need not to prevent suggestions like in the previous point from popping up.

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A key problem with the current system is how to delete a tag. As I get it, for now that's an action t... (2 comments)
A key problem with the current system is how to delete a tag. As I get it, for now that's an action t...
Lorenzo Donati‭ wrote over 1 year ago

A key problem with the current system is how to delete a tag. As I get it, for now that's an action that not even mods can do, but that needs "developer privilege". That's for DB safety and security.

If that was possible for mods or other privileged users, many problems would go away, since it would be possible to better curate the tags at community level without much automation (regex, filters, etc.), at least with the current traffic level.

#2 is what I was asking about, essentially, and Monica Cellio (staff) in a comment to my question gave an OK to my proposed workaround, i.e. using a do-not-use tag(s) with its synonyms to blacklist unwanted tags, since the system won't accept a new tag that's already a synonym of another.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote about 1 year ago

About deleting tags: I just made a Meta post about loosening various tag-maintenance restrictions, including deleting unused tags, here: https://meta.codidact.com/posts/289350 . Please all, help us think through how to make this better! Thanks.