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Introduce a spam reaction?

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It just occurred to me that it would be nice to have a "spam" reaction feature, to mark a post as potentially harmful while waiting for moderators to delete it.

Benefits:

  • Prevent other users from thinking the post is legit and clicking on links posted.
  • Making it easier for other users to spot already detected spam to flag. In case for example we wish to use a consensus system where multiple spam flags by several users lead to auto-deletion.

My proposal is that the reaction should be in red color and simply say "Spam". The text in the reaction-picking dialog could say:

  • Spam. The post is self-promotional and/or abusive. Use this reaction in combination with the appropriate flag.

This can also be used on abusive posts that violate CoC or contain links to harmful or inappropriate content.

But I don't think the reaction should be named "spam or abuse", even though it can be used for both. Or otherwise people might start using it for various drama purposes.

The reaction should be available on all sites in the network.

Optionally, a "nice to have" feature would be if flagging the post as spam automatically adds the reaction to it. Perhaps it should even be the only way to add the reaction, to ensure that users flag and not use the reaction.

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Avoiding redundant actions (1 comment)
Disabling links (6 comments)
Perhaps more explicitly dangerous? (1 comment)
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I'm stealing an idea from trichoplax in the comments: Disable links on posts flagged as spam.

There's some potential for abuse here, too,[1] but I suspect it is somewhat unlikely. We can also add an ability based on, say, "5 approved flags and flag-approve-rate > 75%" that enables the automatic link suppression on posts they flag.

Trich's other suggestion is to out-right prevent new users from posting links until they earn an ability for it. I am less enthusiastic about that. A new user being unable to link to documentation or sources degrades post quality.


  1. Wherein someone with a business interest flags posts citing a competitor… ↩︎

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The less tools for abuse in the toolbox, the better (2 comments)
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The less tools for abuse in the toolbox, the better

I find this nothing but a distraction. If you can trust users enough to let their flags have an immediate effect, you can likely also trust them enough to simply hand them a spam handling ability.

We can also add an ability based on, say, "5 approved flags and flag-approve-rate > 75%" that enables the automatic link suppression on posts they flag.

You're pretty much advocating for a new ability in our system here, and I don't think that's helpful when you take a step back and look at the whole picture. The issue remains that flags are not handled fast enough, or that positively contributing flaggers don't earn the ability they should be getting.

Additionally, you're giving abusive flaggers a tool to effectively temporarily shut down parts of a post. This can be weaponized, and much more effectively than an otherwise very disruptive action such as posting. Because posting is so much more disruptive, it's also dealt with faster.

I also don't like how this would enable people a way to anonymously attack another user. Imagine user A has a set of posts, and user B starts targeting them with false flags. User A may very well notice the attack before a moderator invalidates the flags, but never find out what's been going on. I'd not enjoy being in the shoes of A. Additionally, you're allowing B to put a public label of shame on A. That in itself can persuade viewers into thinking the accusations are fair and correct. They'll just see that the website labelled A's content as being against the rules. They won't look into the details themselves. So yeah, I also don't like the way that this can damage the reputation of A.