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Comments on Is it possible to merge Power Users and Linux Systems? Would Codidact benefit from it?

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Is it possible to merge Power Users and Linux Systems? Would Codidact benefit from it?

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One of the concerns of How can we grow this community posts (see on Power Users and on Linux Systems) is that the sites may not be active enough, resulting in a poor first impression.

If my calculations are correct, LS gets an average of 2 questions per week and PU gets 5.

Given the scope of LS is (arguably?) a subset of PU and that both communities are still small, wouldn't Codidact benefit from merging the two sites — assuming it is doable — at least for the time being?

Adding Linux (or Unix, Macos, etc.) tags where appropriate would not be complicated.

Are there drawbacks or other advantages I overlooked in merging? Any opinion is appreciated.

Per-community Meta surveys about this:

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The surveys Q&As have been live for a week and while the number of answers and votes is relatively low to say much with statistical certainty it seems as if Powerusers wouldn't have much of a problem with it but Linux System users might. Especially they might fear to lose a sense of community if merged; some of their users might only be interested in seeing and discussing Linux questions and it's unclear how and if they could continue doing this.

It also seems to be consensus that both communities must agree to a merger; if only one disagrees there cannot be one.

The next steps in the next days would be to basically answer the questions raised in the survey Q&As and come up with a detailed merger proposal that explains how the merger is supposed to happen including proposed name/scope/categories of the merged sites. Maybe there could be a single person or a group of persons (maybe one from each participating site like Quasímodo‭ and samcarter) that could create this merge proposal and introduce it. Maybe this specific merge proposal could then be discussed again on both sides. Finally, there might be a vote on the detailed merge proposal from both sides with both of them requiring approval for a merge to happen (I wonder if there should be a minimal quorum of active participants or just the relative majority to pass the proposal).

This is pretty general, but I think we are here currently in the step where details of a potential merger must be proposed like the name and where to sort in Linux questions. Without this, the merger cannot go forward. And because we seem to want mergers to be community driven, such proposals should basically come from the affected communities themselves.

That's just as a summary of what has happened so far and what should happen next.

Would Codadict benefit from it?

Maybe we can define a metric (active users, positively received asked questions per week, ...) that define the health of a community and then we could compare the health of both communities before the merger with the health of the combined community after a merger. More specifically we could even ask (in case the merger takes place) specifically how Linux questions are faring in a combined community and, who knows, split up again if there is a problem. However, given the low numbers of activity, we should be aware that the error margins in all these metrics would be relatively large. It could very well be that we never know for sure if Codidact would have benefited more from a merge or from not merging.

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Quasímodo‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Although the Power Users community have (up to know) unanimously agreed with the idea, a Linux Systems user has voted against it and explained why. There are few votes on the matter yet, but since they amount roughly to a 2/3 for a merge and 1/3 against it, I believe the suggestion should be put on hold.

Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago · edited almost 3 years ago

Quasímodo‭ These numbers (1 against 3) on Linux Systems are really low. I hope the number of active Linux Systems users is a bit higher. Also there is no real proposal. Nobody knows how the merged site could look like. If somebody would make such a proposal it might be that the 1-2 users on Linux Systems not liking a merge can become convinced. I believe there should be a detailed merge proposal and then the proposal should be discussed on Linux Systems maybe with a notification for all users of the site to please take part.

Another question is how big the majority would need to be? Would a simple majority be regarded as sufficient?

Quasímodo‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Actually, 2 against 4 (we give each a +1 corresponding to the person who wrote the post) — yes, of course still quite low. A detailed merge proposal would take more effort and joint effort. Heading to that before agreement with the main idea of merging looks like putting the cart before the horse. At least for someone who is all for the merge like me. I also don't see many details to specify, perhaps I'm being shortsighted? If someone is undecided under the terms you mention and would consider a merge beneficial given some further conditions, then I invite him to bring it up forthright. That would help narrowing things down in a organic manner. How big the majority would need to be? Difficult question, but I regard simple majority as too weak.

Trilarion‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Quasímodo‭ One open question is certainly the name of the merged site. Is it obvious how the merged site would be called? The second thing is the objection by r~~. He is only interested in Linux questions. Is there maybe a possibility to achieve that within a merged site? Or to what extent is it possible?

Quasímodo‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Indeed, though I don't believe someone would be put off by the name. By the way, even the current name — Linux Systems — is inaccurate, since other Unix-like systems are in scope.

The objection of r~~ is exactly the kind of helpful opinion I was talking about in my previous comment. It allowed Monica to suggest a possible solution, at which point r~~ says he would withdraw the objection.

Until that objection is either solved or outweighed by a more expressive majority, the exact proportion of which is not defined, I believe the proposal should be put on hold.