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Are downvotes needed?

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Being on the receiving end of a downvote is not a good experience 99.9% of the time. The countless flavors of downvote abuse are notorious. Even for a third party, there is little value in the satisfaction of seeing an answer they dislike thoroughly downvoted, because they'd really rather not see it all. With this being such a negative feature, it must surely have some great benefit to overcome that, right?

The classic justification is of course that we need downvotes to flag bad posts, so that users can skip, filter or sort them to the last page, and moderators can prioritize them. Except we already have a "flag" action which is much more direct and logical.

Another idea was that downvotes encourage users to improve. At this point, I think this has become a ridiculous canard. Drive by downvoting has a way of going rampant, and there's no real way to stop it. But let's be naive: If downvoters actually left a comment constructive criticism, what does that do that a comment with no downvote doesn't? In fact, if you've left a constructive comment, adding a downvote serves only to irritate the victim and make it less likely that they will listen to the criticism.

Further, downvoted posts are not left for posterity to serve as an example. They are usually deleted. So if the question is to be deleted anyway, why bother downvoting it? It seems to be a superfluous addition to a normal housekeeping task, that only generates animosity and detracts from the user experience.

What is the actual justification for having downvotes?

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Ah yes, of course, the first response is an unexplained downvote. How ironic. (2 comments)
Ah yes, of course, the first response is an unexplained downvote. How ironic.
matthewsnyder‭ wrote over 1 year ago

Ah yes, of course, the first response is an unexplained downvote. How ironic.

trichoplax‭ wrote over 1 year ago

On Meta, downvotes can indicate that a post is low quality, but they can also indicate disagreement with the opinion expressed, even if that opinion is expressed eloquently.

So although I am in favour of keeping downvotes (and will be adding an answer expressing a benefit), I do appreciate that they can also be problematic, in particular on Meta questions where their meaning is even more open to misinterpretation than on main sites.

I don't know which reason the downvoter had in this case. Personally, I have upvoted this Meta question because I think that "Are downvotes needed?" is a worthwhile discussion to have so all sides can be well documented.

In general I try to avoid downvoting Meta questions unless they are low quality. If they express an opinion I disagree with, I think it is clearer to add an answer expressing my different opinion, as votes up and down on an answer are less likely to be misinterpreted.