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Why was this answer to the volunteer-discussion removed?

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For what reasons post (answer or question) might be removed by moderator / staff ?

I do not ask about obvious reasons like spam, off-topic, base rule violations, etc here.

Context: history.

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Obviously, author of the post wasn't agreed with decision.

To my opinion this answer is bad: hasty and rash. I, personally, would suggest removing it to its author. But I see no reason to delete it forcefully.

In the answer that I've referenced above author merely expressed they opinion: no more. They might be completely wrong but they has rights to express it freely, isn't it ?

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Update: The answer has been edited and undeleted.

The last paragraph - the one calling for staff to step down if they cannot make Codidact their top priority - has been removed, since that constitutes a personal attack against the volunteer Codidact staff. It's also been edited to make it clearer that the person writing the answer is the same person who wrote the original question.

In its edited state, since it no longer contains personal attacks, the post no longer qualifies for deletion and so has been restored.


It was deleted for being disrespectful and inciting drama.

The post attacks the (volunteer) staff members putting time, effort, and money into running these sites, dismissing their efforts because of a perception that the site should take precedence over living a real life. The post states that that should step down as staff members if they cannot make Codidact their top priority, which constitutes a personal attack against, well, the entire team, since pretty much the entire Codidact team has stated that they have other priorities aside from CD.

That personal attack was quite disrespectful, and rather rude, especially coupled with the request contained within that answer to be appointed CEO of Codidact. (Which, by the way, doesn't exist; Codidact does not and will not have a CEO position as far as I am aware.)

It's also sparking drama, as seen by the comments on the post.

I deleted it for those reasons, in discussion with other members of the team.

There's a bug that currently allows the OP to undelete their own posts if it's moderator-deleted; that's an oversight and will be fixed ASAP. That's why it kept getting undeleted and redeleted.

I'd also like to quote from the moderator help (available on GH as well):

Breaking the spirit of the law is also a problem. If you have a user who's continuously causing problems within your community, that's a problem, even if they're not technically breaking the letter of the law.

It was deleted with that in mind; even if it's not technically breaking the letter of any current rules, the fact that it's causing problems and drama is an issue in of itself.

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Lundin‭ wrote about 4 years ago

Whatever the reason for deleting a post, it most be made visible in the edit history log. We can't have arbitrary, subjective moderation. It was not a personal attack, since such need to be directed towards a person. I'm not even sure it can be said to target a group, that's rather subjective too.

Lundin‭ wrote about 4 years ago · edited about 4 years ago

The post is however classic internet trolling: not interested in contributing constructively but posting for the sole reason to cause conflict and drama. The post could/should have been deleted for that reason. "Not constructive" or similar - that's a concrete and valid reason. "Breaking the spirit" is not - that's a hopelessly subjective reason.

Mithical‭ wrote about 4 years ago

@Lundin - There's currently no technical ability to include a reason when deleting a post; sounds like a good feature request to me, though.

Mithical‭ wrote about 4 years ago

Yes, it's subjective; that's intentional, because setting rules in stone doesn't work very well when humans are involved, especially online. There has to be room for situations that are context-dependent and other gray areas. Moderators then have to make judgement calls. (It's entirely possible that those judgement calls made will be incorrect; that's why we will have the Codidact Arbitration & Review Panel, which will be an objective party that can review actions and situations.)