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Bootstrapping: who can speak for a community?

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Our initial communities will almost certainly be groups of users from SE communities. A mature community should choose its own moderators and those are the people who can speak for the community when requesting things from the instance admins, but what should we do initially, before things are that far along?

For the Writing community, current and recent SE moderators were among the users coming here so we took the expedient approach: if you were a mod on Writing.SE, you could be a mod on the QPixel Writing site for the asking. That works if mods are among the initial users.

What should we do if that's not the case?

There aren't a lot of moderator powers on Qpixel right now (close/reopen, delete, see flags), and there's not a lot of per-site customization available (as far as I know). The stakes are currently low, but I'm asking this question now because having an answer before we have a live case seems like a way to reduce drama. The answer could still be "we'll wing it", but this is a chance to discuss it before we open for business.

So: should SE mods automatically be "pro-tem" mods? And who should be if a community doesn't have any imported mods?

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I'd go a step back and ask, do we need "pro-tem" mods? We're still a small community, more like a "private beta", we can start calling in mods as the demand increases. Bhargav Rao‭ about 1 year ago

@Bhargav maybe just to handle the few flags that will be raised? (Writing has had flags, though maybe not a two-digit number of them.) Monica Cellio‭ about 1 year ago

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  • SE moderators as automatic "pro-tem" moderators.

Absolutely. While the specifics will be different, particularly the available tools, the principles of moderation will be largely the same here as on SE.

  • High-rep Users

When there are no (or not enough) SE moderators willing to be moderators in Codidact, the next best thing is to choose high-rep users from the SE site. For example, I have > 22k rep on DIY SE and, more importantly, I am # 17 all-time and # 4 for 2019 (lower this year because I have deliberately cut back my participation on SE). I have no moderation experience but I know the community. (Of course, DIY may not be interested in moving, but that's a separate issue.)

  • Moderators from other Communities

The last choice would be moderators from other communities who are willing to help. That will probably work best when the subject matter is similar or related (e.g., Writing to Worldbuilding or Superuser to Unix & Linux).

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I'd agree with most of it but maybe not with "next best thing is to choose high-rep users". Sadly reputation score alone wont guarantee that person is capable of handling moderation tasks but of course rep score can be used to find potentially active candidates and also most probably reveal some public history around actions taken. Rep score could be useful but should not be primary metric. Sampo Sarrala‭ about 1 year ago

As Sampo Sarrala said, reputation score (as a single number) alone doesn't really mean much. SE tied a lot of things to reputation; I think Codidact can do better. Reputation score really just means you've posted content others in the community have thought was useful. While that's worth rewarding in its own right, it doesn't necessarily make you a good moderator. Canina‭ about 1 year ago

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It's been a while since I asked this question. In the meantime we've launched several communities that weren't transplants from SE, so most of our communities didn't start with "imported moderators". Here's what we're doing for all communities now:

When a community is new, the moderation load is light and staff members can handle any issues that come up. If there is a staff member with more domain knowledge than the rest of us, we generally ask that person to take the lead (for example, Mithrandir24601 on Physics). If there is someone who seems to us like an obvious leader from within the community, we might ask that person directly to serve temporarily. Sometime later, when the community has some activity and more of a user base, we post on the community's meta asking who the temporary moderators should be. We feel strongly that communities should make their own decisions; that said, there needs to be a community to make decisions, hence treating these initial appointments as temporary. A community that grows to thousands of people might want to revisit the decisions made by the dozen people who chose the initial mods -- or not. Up to them. (I acknowledge that this part of the lifecycle is fuzzy because no one's gotten there yet.)

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If a user is moderator in SE than that person can be moderator in Codidact. But, if no moderator joins the Codidact than does it mean Codidact can't get any moderators.

  • While those peoples can be moderator in SE who have lots of reputation. But, Codidact is completely new. So, is it ok to make those people moderator who have lots of reputation in Codidact.

Top user list in Meta Codidact :

  1. Monica Cellio has 7726 rep (already a moderator and staff)
  2. ArtOfCode has 4594 rep (already a moderator and staff)
  3. luap42 has 3157 rep (already a moderator and staff)
  4. Canina has 2525 rep
  5. Moshi has 2316 rep
  6. Mithical has 1554 rep (already a moderator and staff)
  7. Olin Lathrop has 1539 rep
  8. Manassehkatz has 1334 rep (already a moderator and staff)
  9. Lundin has 1219 rep
  10. Zerotime has 1135 rep

As you can see it's very hard to earn reputation. And, only posting good questions and answers doesn't mean that person is honest and "hardworker". So, I don't think that it is ok to depend on reputation. I will request a feature for judging "moderators". In SE, we can review posts. So, if a user honestly review lot of posts than we can say that, that person is honest, "hardworker" and that person knows rules of Codidact. He can be a moderator in Codidact. I think this would be best way to choose Moderators. But, I know that it will take lot of times to build the feature. So, currently the staffs should think something else. From my point of view currently they should judge peoples by how peoples are behaving in comments and how peoples are posting how peoples flagging posts. Than that person is worth to be a moderator. But, if the user does something wrong with the community that person must be banned from the community(Cause, we are judging by comments and postings we don't know how honest the person is. So, I will call it "test-moderator" for now).

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I forgot about this question; thanks for reminding me. We should post an update. Since I asked this, we've started asking communities to nominate people -- when a community first starts the load is low enough that staff can handle any issues that come up, and then the community can choose its initial mods. (By the way, the rep numbers you quoted are for here on Meta; they'll be different on other communities. My rep is very low on EE, for instance, and justly so.) Monica Cellio‭ 12 days ago

@Monica Cellio Yes! I just added that rep numbers just for example. Others Codidact site is mostly inactive. Istiak‭ 12 days ago

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